Jessica McLeod ([info]jessica_monster) wrote,
@ 2008-10-17 09:24:00
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pumpkin attitudes


I would like to talk to you about your attitude to pumpkins!

I understand that in the US, people do not eat pumpkin as a savoury vegetable. As far as I can tell, it is mostly used for sweet pies, and even then it comes out of a can! This is crazy to me. In Australia, our pumpkin does not come out of a can. No sirree. We buy it in the fruit and vegetable section, and it is in big chunks in its shell. And there are lots of different types! Personally I like the Jap pumpkin, which I think we are now calling the Kent pumpkin because it was considered offensive to Jewish American Princesses.

The pumpkin is a pretty staple vegetable in Australia. It often accompanies a roast, along with other beloved standards such as potatoes and peas. In fact, it is my favourite part of a roast dinner! We do not often put pumpkin in our sweet foods, although I have a very nice recipe for pumpkin bread. Oh, and it is fantastic on pizza! Try it with sage and feta.

Apparently the pumpkins in America are bred to be large, brightly coloured and not very nice tasting. I understand that pumkin farms exist only for Halloween! This is a sad state of affairs, to my mind.

I would like to hear about your pumpkin attitudes, and how they relate to your culture. Let us have a roundtable on pumpkins!




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[info]finkenstein
2008-10-17 01:55 am UTC (link)
Wow!
You are correct that is mainly what pumpkins are in the US, we mostly carve faces into them and eat the seeds. They have pumpkin in cans but most of the people I know like to make their own pumpkin pie from scratch. I do love me some pumpkin pie and I think it is an incredibly yummy flavor, I wish we did use it in more meals! There is this thing called spaghetti squash that I eat all the time, it seems very similar to a pumpkin with only a slightly different flavor. The insides are stringy (like spaghetti)I put sauce and cheese all over it and it's awesome.
Those bright multi-colored gords you have in that picture up there? I am not sure what you guys do with them, but we have lots of tiny ones for sale in stores around Halloween and they are ONLY used for decoration I have never heard of anyone eating one.

How do you cook pumpkin anyway? Boil it? Got any recipes?

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[info]tedprior
2008-10-17 02:04 am UTC (link)
Roast it. Just put it on a pan (maybe add a little oil and herbs) and cook it until it is soft and delicious!

Roast pumpkin is one of my all-time favourites.

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[info]finkenstein
2008-10-17 03:32 am UTC (link)
That is what I do with the spaghetti squash, I am gunna try this, SO HARD!

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[info]lisamax
2008-10-17 03:54 am UTC (link)
DUDE! there's a whole world of pumpkin out there for you to explore!

pumpkin soup with a small spoonfull of pumpkin seed oil on top: the best.

pumpkin also can be used in cakes, similar to carrot cakes. num nums!

it works fantastically on pizza or in sandwiches, combined with feta and herbs.

as grug said though, the bestest idea is just to roast them along with other vegetables. my favourite vegetarian thing is to roast large pieces of japanese pumpkin, field mushroom and tomatoes with lots of olive oil, garlic, rosemary, thyme, pepper and some pine nuts. then eat it with pasta (some fancy fettucini work pretty well) and italian cheese. SO SO GOOD.

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[info]practice_cactus
2008-10-17 08:23 am UTC (link)
Agreed. It's just not a roast without potatos, pumpkin and maybe even some sweet potato if you're feeling decadent.

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[info]tiny_monster
2008-10-17 02:05 am UTC (link)
Here is a delicious recipe for a sweet pumpkin loaf! You can also roast it, put it on a pizza, have it with pasta, and it's amazing in a curry. I'm amazed that vegetarians could live without it! Roasted is the most delicious, but if you're pureeing it you can just steam it really fast in the microwave.

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[info]andricongirl
2008-10-17 03:17 am UTC (link)
and it's brilliant in risotto .. with pine nuts .. mmmmm

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[info]benchilada
2008-10-17 01:57 am UTC (link)
Squash in general is not the biggest delight in America.
It seems that the smaller the town they're in, the more likely somebody is to enjoy squash.

I have never made pumpkin pie from a can, although I have eaten it.

I have zucchini and squash in the kitchen right now.

I must say that I'm surprised you don't get more sweet things, like pumpkin bread.

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[info]andricongirl
2008-10-17 03:15 am UTC (link)
ive seen pumpkin bread here, but itis still be eaten as more of a savoury thing , unless by bread you mean a cake type of thing (like banana bread?) rather than bread for toast and sandwiches

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[info]benchilada
2008-10-17 03:28 am UTC (link)
Yep, a sweet bread (not a sweetbread).

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[info]goraina
2008-10-17 02:09 am UTC (link)
Hey, I LOVE pumpkin food! And squash food! Pie is okay, but I prefer:

Pumpkin bread and cake!

Roast butternut, acorn, or delicata squash! (All of which have a similar, sweet pumpkiny flavor!)

Pumpkin ravioli!

Butternut soup and butternut risotto!

Kabocha (Japanese pumpkin) tempura! My FAVORITE!

Maybe it's because I'm a vegetarian, but I love exploring the wonderful world of cooking with winter squashes. Mmm, mmm. Oh and I like carving them for Halloween, too. :)

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[info]goraina
2008-10-17 02:10 am UTC (link)
I forgot to mention that I've also had winter squash pizza, and it's FANTASTIC.

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[info]tiny_monster
2008-10-17 02:14 am UTC (link)
Wait, you call butternut a squash? We call it pumpkin! *Checking Wkipedia* Oh wow!

"Butternut squash (Cucurbita moschata), also known in Australia and Great Britain as Butternut pumpkin[1], is a type of winter squash. It has a sweet, nutty taste that is similar to pumpkin."

I guess we do have squash? I have never heard of substituting it for pasta, though!

Kabocha is the same as Jap or Kent pumpkin, and it's my favourite too!

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[info]suomifrikki
2008-10-17 02:17 am UTC (link)
oh, yes, I was going to comment on this. i noticed when i was in australia last year that people there called all kinds of squash "pumpkin" and it seemed really silly to me. it is just one kind of "pumpkin" (squash) that gets made into a pie. many other varieties are eaten roasted, mashed, boiled, etc.

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[info]suomifrikki
2008-10-17 02:18 am UTC (link)
oh, and the only squash you can substitute for pasta is specifically called spaghetti squash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spaghetti_squash

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[info]benchilada
2008-10-17 03:29 am UTC (link)
And it's tasty!

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[info]bezman
2008-10-17 09:40 am UTC (link)
That looks crazy-awesome, but I've never seen it in my life!

Damn, you guys are making me feel sad. But also excited about the future.

For one day, I too, will eat this.

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[info]finkenstein
2008-10-17 03:30 am UTC (link)
yes there it is!! MAN I love me some of that.

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[info]goraina
2008-10-17 02:58 am UTC (link)
Yyyyyyup! http://allrecipes.com/search/recipes.aspx?q1=butternut+squash&lnkid=65 Yum yum yum.

I like comparing cultures! They're so similar yet the quirks are different. :D

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[info]finkenstein
2008-10-17 03:29 am UTC (link)
Oh man yes! I love butternut squash!

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[info]dimruthien
2008-11-03 10:58 am UTC (link)
In Australia, if someone says "squash" to me, I think of those little yellow squash. You know the things I mean?

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[info]annettle
2008-10-17 02:19 am UTC (link)
New Zealand also considers pumpkins to be savory food only: at a rough guess I'd say 70% are roasted, 20% are en-soup-ulated, and 10% end up in pasta/pizza/other things.

There's a few main types here, Crown (grey, round, can be quite big) and Buttercup (dark green, round, fairly small) and Butternut (yellow-orange, pear shaped).

I don't think I have ever eaten a sweet pumpkin food... though my Mum used to make an awesome sweet courgette cake :D

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[info]pene
2008-10-17 02:25 am UTC (link)
aka zucchini cake! mmmm I love it too.

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[info]teriyakibroth
2008-10-17 02:28 am UTC (link)
Because of the winters here in New Brunswick, pumpkin remains seasonal. I love having pumpkin dishes, sweet and other. I am guilty of buying the canned but only when it's outside the season. I blame the 5-6 months of winter.

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[info]abrassea
2008-10-17 02:31 am UTC (link)
i would think that the name jap pumpkin would be more offensive to the japanese, as that's who that word normally refers to as a racial epithet.

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[info]tiny_monster
2008-10-17 03:06 am UTC (link)
Heh, it was a joke :P

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[info]abrassea
2008-10-17 05:56 am UTC (link)
whew. haha.

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[info]andricongirl
2008-10-17 03:09 am UTC (link)
ive never shortened it to jap, but thought it was called japanese pumpkin, didn't realise it weas some insult, not becausae its grown there ?

anyhoo

pumpkin rocks. you never had pumpkin scones?
an aussie tradition (though i fear mainly oop north, but we did learn how to make them in tassie at school too)

i could live on pumpkin. roasted is best, though soup is most awesome .
we mainly use butternut pumpkin. I didn't realise it wasn't counted a real pumpkin there's no way its like a squash !?


squash to me is those tiny yellow things that taste more like zuchinni, and arent that great but i have them occasionally 'cos they are yellow and you know you gotta have a range of colour in your food ;].

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[info]wootsauce
2008-10-17 03:24 am UTC (link)
I LOVE PUMPKIN PIE.
Seriously. It rocks.
Pumpkin bread, too.... but I love the pie.

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[info]vetch
2008-10-17 04:20 am UTC (link)
I believe pumpkin eating is an antipodean thing! Apparently my Grandmother was somewhat bemused by the kiwi's pumpkin eating ways when she moved to New Zealand on account of pumpkins were considered cattle food in Britain until the war, when the pumpkin's culinary use was expanded to include poor people.

Now they are considered food for cattle, poor people, and persons from the colonies, and I sorely missed the inclusion of pumpkin at family roast dinners in Britain.

Persoanlly, I think we have the correct attitude to Pumpkin. It is delicious.

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[info]mr_lambi
2008-10-17 06:09 am UTC (link)
I tried Pumpkin pie for the first time last year, and was impressed. Also, pumpkin soup is my favorite form that a pumpkin can take.

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[info]bezman
2008-10-17 09:45 am UTC (link)
I have eaten roast pumpkin and pumpkin soup. Nothing else.

I only had roast pumpkin once - a week ago and found it kinda dry. And yet uncrispy. If I have something that's dry, I expect it to be crispy!

Maybe there could have been some improvement in the cooking to give it more juiciness... if so, I'd have been totally behind it.

My favourite roast veggies are basically potatoes, parsnips and peppers.

When do you guys get pumpkins? Here (Glasgow, Scotland) they only appeared in the shops a couple of weeks ago and always seem to disappear around the 3rd of November. It always baffled me that they'd disappear from every shop so quickly - even the dedicated fruit&veg stores like 'Roots & Fruits'.

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[info]bezman
2008-10-17 10:02 am UTC (link)
That seems like a quality website.

I think the roast pumpkin I had needed more juiciness, so perhaps some fresh leaves would provide that. However, I sometimes feel kinda guilty about cooking a meal for one in the oven when I could make something in a pot and with all the wasted oven energy usage contributing to glabal warming.

Maybe my concerns are kinda unfounded though? I don't actually know for sure how much energy an oven uses.

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[info]bezman
2008-10-17 10:09 am UTC (link)
Sorry for taking over the entry...

but what are 'brown onions'?

I checked on wikipedia, but though I found a picture, it doesn't describe the tase or anything. Are they sweet? Could I substitute red onions? Or could I substitute white onions?

The supposed 'best quiche' needs those, which I hadn't heard of until then, and you seem like a knowledgable person when it comes to cooking and ingredients and such.

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[info]tiny_monster
2008-10-21 07:21 am UTC (link)
1. Pumpkins are available in stores all year round, as far as I know! Their season is autumn though.

2. I would suggest olive oil to improve crispiness, and cooking it at about 180 C until it is soft.

3. Brown onions are just ordinary onions, with the brownish outside skins. As opposed to white onions or red onions.

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[info]bezman
2008-10-21 08:53 am UTC (link)
Thanks! I shall try cooking pumpkins tomorrow!

White/brown onions still confuse me. I guess what I thought were 'white onions' are actually 'brown onions'. Over here, I only know 'onions', 'red onions' and 'spring onions' (which I think you call 'scallions', like the US folk?).

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[info]galsan
2008-10-17 01:23 pm UTC (link)
I am a big fan of all kinds of squash (stuffed with couscous and/or rice and vegetables/feta/pine nuts especially) and pumpkin (never from a can! made some roast pumpkin soup the other day though!). The other day I went to a pumpkin festival and had some pumpkin beer and pumpkin cheesecake wrap. Mmmm. Pumpkin on pizza is not a thing I have tried, I would be sooooo up for that! And whenever I roast a pumpkin or squash I love roasting the seeds, they are so delicious!

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[info]preachertom
2008-10-17 02:22 pm UTC (link)
Sara and I make a couple of yummy dishes with squash as well, but mostly pumpkin is a flavor I associate with beer or the pie stuff from a can. I'm all for roasted pumpkin seeds, but the best thing ever that has a pumpkin theme is my dad's pumpkin roll that he makes only from Thanksgiving (U.S.) to New Year's each year.

It's this dessert thing with a roll of a kind of pumpkin crust around a filling of cream cheese and dusted with powdered sugar.

I had been despairing about the end of summer here in the States and then this post made me think about how it's not much longer until pumpkin roll is available again and I got all warm and happy inside.

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[info]yellowcardigan
2008-10-17 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Man, I felt really bad about not knowing all the things you can do with pumpkin! Then I read the comments and realized that what we call a butternut squash you call a butternut pumpkin and I felt better. Butternut squash is one of my favorites; Tom and I make a dish where you pan-roast the squash with leeks and sage and toss with whole wheat pasta. So good! I will definitely try that pizza you linked to, it sounds great.

As far as the basic pumpkin, I do use the canned stuff. I actually don't have any experience with getting the pumpkin flesh out and pureeing it for cookies or what-all. I love sweet pumpkin bread and cookies, yum. I like enough nutmeg in it that it's a little spicy and still sweet. So good!

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[info]dimruthien
2008-11-03 10:56 am UTC (link)
I was googling for pumpkins to show my US friends and stumbled across this. SO TRUE. Pumpkin? For dessert? WHAT THE FUCK, PEOPLE??

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A bit late on the post, but...
[info]joedecie
2008-11-23 04:08 pm UTC (link)
Here in the UK we call butternut pumpkins butternut squashes, wikipedia was misinformed. Steph made a soup from one only yesterday. As for pumpkins, we in this house treat them in the same way; soups, mashes, risottos, roasted, chipped. However I'm not that keen on marrows.

Sam eats pumpkin; it was the third food he tried.

During Halloween I went to buy a pumpkin and it had a sticker saying "carving pumpkin, not for eating" eh? what?

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